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Mammamel
10-17-2007, 06:51 AM
NOTE: This is not meant as political commentary. It is just expressing my views on statements made and reactions to them.

This is in reply to some comments made by Ann Coulter. Miss Coulter was being interviewed by a talk show host and made a comment to the effect of we would all be happier if everyone was Christian.

The talk show host being Jewish asked her if she meant there should be no more Jews. He then equated her with Hitler, and Amenajad, and the whole wipe out the Jews crowd.

He asked her if she felt he and other Jews should be offended by her comments and she said no. She said Christians just want Jews to be perfected.

Now why would a Christian say such a thing? Because Paul said it, and guys, for those who do not remember, Paul was the utmost of Jews.

Paul talks about how we ought to feel towards the Jews in Romans 10 and 11. Remember Jesus came first to save them! It was not until they rejected Him that He told Peter in a vision to go to the gentiles, and then He called Paul, to be THE apostle to the gentiles.

Christians do not want the Jews wiped out; we do not want them to lose their identity as Jews either. What concerns Christians is not the physical Jews, what concerns us is the state of the soul of the Jew. We want them to accept the One who came to save them. Please note, I am not going to condemn Jews to hell that is NOT my job it is God’s so please do not insert that thought into what I am saying. Will the Jews be saved in the end? Only God knows.

Miss Coulter is now being labeled nazi slime (as a kid, born in Germany I was often called a nazi by my classmates in America so this really riles me up) People who loosely use this term, and unfortunately in general liberals toss it around like pizza dough, are ignorant people. I do not care what kind of education they have, or who they are. Using this term for any other than an honest to goodness nazi, is worse than using that other n word. By the way, spell check keeps telling me to capitalize nazi, but to me capitalizing it denotes respect, something I have none of for true nazis.

Now back to Miss Coulter. Do I agree with her choice of wording always? No. I think many of her terms bring disgrace to being a Christian. I feel if others wish to roll in the mud language wise, let them, but do not join them. We are after all to avoid all appearance of evil, and not let any awful thing come out of our mouths and so on. (Eph. 4:29, Col. 3:8 1 Thess. 5:22) I think she could, being the intelligent woman she is, pick better word usage. That said, do I agree with the root of what she says? 99% of the time yes I do.
I guess I want to say, in this case, she chose her words well, and she does not deserve the stir it is causing.

She did not say that Jews are the cause of the entire world’s issues; she did not blame them for problems with the country. She made a true statement that any religion could make. If we all had the same beliefs we would all get along better and be happier. She also did not say Jews deserved to be locked up, murdered or bombed. Most importantly, she did not say they need to be wiped out.

Christians owe Jews a great debt, as Paul explains in Romans 10 and 11. If they had not rejected the Son of God, gentiles would not be on the path to salvation. Jews are first and foremost, God’s chosen people. Never forget that, through the Israelites comes our salvation, our hope of heaven. Never lose site of that. Do I want all Jews to accept Christ? You bet I do. They are blood kin. I am adopted and I am blessed beyond measure to be so!

Hummingbird
10-17-2007, 07:05 AM
Amen. We have an obligation to minister to and pray for our Jewish brothers and sisters. We are not to forget that they are indeed God's chosen people.

I have a Jewish sis-in-law, my brother converted and they are raising their children in Judaism. I pray for them constantly. It took them awhile to realize that I don't pray for them because I hate Judaism (which I don't), but rather because I love them.

modernLydia
10-17-2007, 07:13 AM
Very well sad Mel!

What some seem to have forgotten is that the Jews are still God's chosen people. The covenant with Abraham is still a covenant.

Avie
10-17-2007, 07:21 AM
I see what she was TRYING to say but, I think her message was lost because she didnt choose her words carefully.

Mel, my dad was born in Germany too! I will have to ask him if he was ever teased as a kid.

pegnmil
10-17-2007, 08:27 AM
Some folks hear what they want to. The interviewer could have been trying to stir up a bit of controversy to make the interview more "interesting".

My family actually changed their last names from the German name to a Dutch variation during the WW in order to not be associated with the National Socialist party regime.

katieanne
10-17-2007, 08:27 AM
I too wish Ann Coulter would more carefully choose her words. But, I do agree with her quite alot. Don't worry about the liberals calling her names, she has a thick skin. Liberals always play the race card when they don't understand something....it almost a hysterical reaction....and it's pitiful.

Ana H
10-17-2007, 09:24 AM
NOTE: This is not meant as political commentary. It is just expressing my views on statements made and reactions to them.


neither is what I am saying, I am just expressing my views as well, based on what I have read. I have been told that I am harsh, and rude, I do not think I am. when I say something, it is because I have strong feelings about it.


This is in reply to some comments made by Ann Coulter. Miss Coulter was being interviewed by a talk show host and made a comment to the effect of we would all be happier if everyone was Christian.



Well, IMO, Miss Coulter is very counter productive. She, many times, engages her mouth before her brain has time to catch up. She obviously has not done any of her research. Statistics show that suicide rates are highest among Christians. Just because you are a Christian, does not automatically make you happy, with a life full of roses and butterflies! God did not call us to have an easy time of it. some times doing what I am suppose to do, does NOT make me happy. Let's face it, sometimes human nature takes over, and we want to do what WE want to do, not what God has told us to do. No one here is immune. Not to say that all Christians have a sad, depressed life either.
my life has been full of ups, and downs, I have lost, had hard times, and then I have been to some beautiful places, and seen my share of wonderful things. Though it has been hard sometimes, I like my life!!!

He asked her if she felt he and other Jews should be offended by her comments and she said no. She said Christians just want Jews to be perfected.



Is she talking of being perfected while here on earth? Never going to happen if that is what she is saying.


Miss Coulter is now being labeled nazi slime (as a kid, born in Germany I was often called a nazi by my classmates in America so this really riles me up) People who loosely use this term, and unfortunately in general liberals toss it around like pizza dough, are ignorant people.

I agree it is out of ignorance people use this term. It is not just used by liberals though. I have heard it used by some "Christians" and conservatives to describe groups they do not like as well. there are so many terms I refuse to use, unless I really mean it, because the connotations are just to strong. Others should think before engaging the mouth.

I think many of her terms bring disgrace to being a Christian. I feel if others wish to roll in the mud language wise, let them, but do not join them. We are after all to avoid all appearance of evil, and not let any awful thing come out of our mouths and so on. (Eph. 4:29, Col. 3:8 1 Thess. 5:22)


I do not want this person representing me as a Christian. she just is not a good at choosing her words, or presenting herself. you remember you attract more flies with honey! I do not like her much, nor do I agree with her point of view some times. But then on the other hand, think about this, God did not call us to be politically correct. At least she is speaking up for what she believes in, how many of us are willing to step up to the plate and speak up without fear of what others will think? People like to complain about how some one represents a group of people, but they all want to sit at the back of the class and not be called on.

I think she could, being the intelligent woman she is, pick better word usage. That said, do I agree with the root of what she says? 99% of the time yes I do.
I guess I want to say, in this case, she chose her words well, and she does not deserve the stir it is causing.


not in this case. she said what she meant, and some one twisted her words, imagine that, in journalism?! It almost never happens. from what I saw, she DID seem to choose wisely in this case, but there have been many occassions that she has offended the very people she thinks need Christ. If you can't touch someones heart, you can't win them to the Lord. I just do not see her as heart touching. Many times I wonder if she is not trying to instagate conflict with her words and actions. Maybe for attention?

Think about how many people Billy Graham has lead to the Lord with his soft spoken but dynamic personality. now compare the two.

kwife
10-17-2007, 03:13 PM
Oh man I love Ann Coulter! I don't usually stop here, but I saw the thread and had to find out what the title was about.

She calls them as she sees them! She is speaking from a political and not a saved perspective. If everyone in the world was Christian, "of Christ" then the world would be great. That was His intention right? To love like He loved?

Does anyone here really think Ann Coulter has made Jesus lord of her life? We should be praying that she comes to a SAVING knowledge, and not just knowledge. I love Rush as well, but when he says he is speaking as a Christian conservative, I shudder a little.

Romans also says that the Jews are suffering NOW for our sake. I thank God that He is allowing that, else where would I be? I'd be following the Jewish law and hoping the God of the Israelites would have mercy on me!

poohbaah
10-17-2007, 07:59 PM
My husband is Jewish but he attends Christian Church with me. He has had trouble with a member of the Church telling him not to depend on his Jewish roots to save him. This was in an attempt to pressure him into getting saved. Our Pastor was horrified. Our neighbor is a Messianic Jew (SP) and my husband is learing a lot from him. I know with time he will accept Christ as his saviour but he has been tought one thing his whole life. This is new to him, hes stepping in and I am proud of him. I know his families reaction was a big worry to him but they have taken it well. Hopefully there seeing the changes in him and one day we will all be sitting in church together.

kwife
10-17-2007, 08:15 PM
Hang in poohbah-

My girlfriends husband was also Jewish and was concerned about what his family would say. After many years of exposure, and having his wife lovingly forgive him of some indiscretions, he accepted Christ and recently gave his testimony to a large group at a Christian university. God was ALL OVER that!

Sounds like your husband is well on his way!

Mammamel
10-18-2007, 06:54 AM
Ya know, no where are we told to pressure folks to "get saved". We are told to live so they see the difference and speak to them when we have opportunity. No tract waving in the face, no attitude, just simple straight forward gently delivered facts. Now it may progress from there to intense discussion and battle, but it should not begin that way. It never did int the Bible and that is our instruction book.

That was one of the biggest things that bugged me as a kid, being pushed to tell others if they didn't do what I said the Bible told them to they were doomed to hell.

As I said before I was raised in a pretty strict sect of the church of Christ. Many of the traditions this religion has are not found in any Bible I have studied so far.

As far as the Jews go, the NT says God has set apart a remnant for Himself. I forget now where that verse is, but who are we to know what He has decided to do with HIS CHOSEN people? He tells us what we need to do, and we need to mind our own business.

Now as to what Miss Coulter said, she was laying it on the line as she sees it. She holds no punches. Personally, I like a gentler approach, but that is my way not hers. My point is, the facts are she does not act like a nazi, she wants to meet her jewish brothers and sisters in heaven along with her Christian ones. A nazi, would not. Now should she have made her statement that way? Who knows? So called journalists and reporters would have twisted it if she had said I think all restaurants should serve chocolate cake on Tuesday.

Her name is enough to provoke a lot of people.
Now many of the conservative talk show hosts really enjoy listening to their own voices, and think they have all the answers. Now while I usually agree with them, their attitude really bothers me.

It saddens me when I see them turn to the same tactics as the opposition, because it costs them respect points, and I can't listen to all of them. At the moment the only one I listen to is Laura Ingraham.

In any case, Miss Coulter made her objective, people are buzzing. I am not sure how many will read her book, but her name is being seen around again.

QuiltingLady
10-18-2007, 08:51 AM
Well, personally I don't care for Ann Coulter or her books. IMO and it's only MO it's for publicity.

As for offending the Jewish people. Ask them? Were they offended. Yes, many were. (friends of mine and hubbys) They see her as a person using over the top promotion for her book sales.

I am a follower of our Dear Lord and Savior. I have a difficult time seeing that same Spirit of Christ in some of the people on TV that say they are the of the same Christ Spirit.

Again in my opinion. A C got what she wanted from the interview. More promotion. I don't watch her or her ilk.

kwife
10-18-2007, 12:35 PM
Do you see how this compares to Islamic Fundamentalism? Maybe that is the point she is trying to make. What would it be like if Christianity behaved the same way on the world stage? Interesting!

mamanut
10-26-2007, 11:07 PM
How can one be a Christian and hate someone or something that God made?

kwife
10-27-2007, 05:31 AM
Right. We are only to hate what God hates. (sin)

Calico Prairie
10-27-2007, 08:11 AM
I don't know who Ann Coulter is, but I have always been taught at church that we are to love the Jews, because they are God's people, and that there is punishment for those that are not good to them. I don't have any scripture or anything, so don't throw tomatoes, I'm just chiming in here. :)

modernLydia
10-29-2007, 05:43 AM
Q - I think that you are thinking of Genesis 12:3, where God tells Abram (pre-Abraham time, "And I will bless them that belss thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

Doris
10-29-2007, 06:07 AM
I haven't really been following this because I am German, and this is a touchy subject, given my peoples history. However, I'm going to put my 2 cents in.

Jesus was a Jew. I don't think anyone has mentioned it yet. The reason why Jews are not liked during the mid-evil and pre WW2 was because "they crucified Jesus" and because they were forbidden to own land and join guilds of certain trades (well almost all) and had to refrain to trades like banking, jewlry and being doctors and such. So it was jelousy that drove people, I'm sure. The money and needing a scapegoat is what drove the Nazis , they would have gassed Jesus, simply because of his Jewishness as a race not as a religion.

As far as hating Jews. Why would a Christian hate Jews? Romans 11 gives a good answer.

1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

So if God still cares about the Jews, we need to too. The Jews did not kill Jesus alone. We are all guilty of that. The problem is that the Jews said, when they sentenced Jesus


Matthew 27:25 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=27&verse=25&version=9&context=verse)
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Ignorant people have taken that verse as an excuse to persecute the Jews.

Deborah
11-01-2007, 12:06 PM
Hi, my name is Deborah, and I live in Jerusalem. Yes, the one in Israel :-)

Personally, I was NOT offended by what Ann Coulter said. I think she was trying to be provocative, which is what she usually does, and have some fun with the interviewer and make him sweat a little.

However, I don't think she's the least bit anti-Semitic or anti-Jew. I know for a fact that she has a long history of supporting Israel, and I really don't think she was trying to insult Jews in any way with what she said.

I know Jews and Christians see some things a bit differently, to put it VERY mildly, but I once heard a rabbi who's big on interfaith dialogue between Christians and Jews say, "It's important that we try to be friends. One day one side will see that the other side was right- until that day comes, why worry about it? Let's just get along together!" (I'm paraphrasing here).

Here's the problem with Ann, though, and why I'm not too wild about her: while I agree with almost everything she says, the WAY in which she says it is very off-putting. She's extremely rude and pushy at times, and while I used to be a big fan of hers, lately I have been getting turned off by her. I fear that she's doing a lot of damage to the conservative cause by turning so many people off. She's such a smart woman, and if she could just tone it down, I think a lot more people would listen to her.

For instance, her whole to-do with Elizabeth Edwards. Now, I think John Edwards is the biggest joke in politics, and I don't like some of the things that have come out of Elizabeth's mouth either. But the way Ann was so nasty to Elizabeth left a bad taste in my mouth. The woman is battling cancer, and while that doesn't mean she should be given a free pass on everything she and her husband do, Ann's nastiness just seemed so wrong.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that not all Jews scream "anti-Semitism" at the drop of a hat. We realize that a lot of Christians are on our side (and are very grateful for their support), as opposed to so many people in the world who hate us simply for existing.

Prayingmom2
11-01-2007, 02:01 PM
God tells us to love everyone. So if how can you HATE anyone? Different religion or not?

homesteph
11-02-2007, 09:51 AM
Hi Deborah!! Thanks so much for the insider voice!

I'm not sure how I can be a Christian and get away with hating anyone, only with hating sin. I utterly cringe when I read about the hideous antisemitic crimes and persecution coming from nominal Christianity over the millenia. I wonder how they could possibly come to those warped justifications if we are reading the same bible.

I totally understand what you mean about prominent people with good ideas but really, really bad manners - I turn off many conservative talk shows because although I agree with the views I am ashamed of the behavior of the host. It is so disheartening. That's why I'm glad there are places like this where regular folks can visit together and challenge the stereotypes presented by those who have their grips on the microphones.

-homesteph

homesteph
11-02-2007, 09:54 AM
Do you see how this compares to Islamic Fundamentalism? Maybe that is the point she is trying to make. What would it be like if Christianity behaved the same way on the world stage? Interesting!

You mean like the Spanish Inquisition?

Unregistered
12-26-2007, 03:06 PM
What a joke. You really need to get off your Christian high horses. Do you honestly believe that you are right about this? Jews would tell you that atleast in our religion, we are tolerant of other's perspectives REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE. Anybody who likes Coulter is disguistingly backward and needs to get out of the woods. How tragic that you have not been educated enough to let people believe their beliefs without making comments like that.

Suzyhomemaker
12-27-2007, 07:53 AM
Sue B pokes her head in, looks around, and quietly slips out again.... too hot a topic for me right now>>>>>>>>

Mamame
12-27-2007, 08:34 AM
What a joke. You really need to get off your Christian high horses. Do you honestly believe that you are right about this? Jews would tell you that atleast in our religion, we are tolerant of other's perspectives REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE. Anybody who likes Coulter is disguistingly backward and needs to get out of the woods. How tragic that you have not been educated enough to let people believe their beliefs without making comments like that.

There is a difference in tolerating/allowing someone to have their beliefs and accepting them to be as much truth as what God has told us is truth.

The Bible is clear. NO one comes to the Father but through Jesus. Jesus is the Messiah for the Jews - and the Savior of the entire world. Yes, Jews need Jesus in order to be saved. The Bible is extremely clear on that.

It doesn't take education to "let people believe their beliefs" but it takes a lack of Biblical education to allow people to believe what they believe and let them go to hell.

gayla50
12-27-2007, 10:56 AM
Praying ... I just will Pray ..

sammie
12-27-2007, 10:49 PM
coulter is no biblical scholar or a wise man/woman

i agree if it wasnt for jews we would have no jesus

i wouldnt pay her any mind

sammi

Mammamel
12-28-2007, 06:33 AM
Ann's statement that Christians want Jews to be saved is correct.

However, the folks that did the inquisition, were NOT Christians.

I know this because Christ NEVER authorized the use of force to spread HIS message. Christ could have done so had HE chosen to.

Instead He told us to live as He did, peacefully, obeying the laws and showing love to all. Not accepting their sin, but loving them in spite of it.

Legalists, those who demand you pay attention to what they say, are not true Christians either. What we need to say is follow the Bible. Nothing more. In my own study of scripture I was shocked at how much religion I had been taught as Bible, when in fact, it was not there at all.

Yes God has certain criteria He expects us to follow, accepting His Son as our savior is the main one. Leaving our sinful ways is another. If a person truly does the first, the second will follow naturally. If a person does not do the second, then they did not do the first.

Any person who espouses hate toward others, has not done the first. I do not care who they are, Christ says to hate is equal to murder, so if one acts in hate they are NOT of Christ. Christ did not endorse violence, no one claiming His name in truth will use violence to spread His message.

Suzyhomemaker
12-28-2007, 03:29 PM
Coming from the point of view of a Muskogee Native American, I understand the wisdom of the elders to close our Native ceremonies to the general public. If we forced our ceremonies on everyone whether they followed our traditions or not, it would somehow cheapen the true meaning of the ceremony. At best, I certainly would not expect a Lakota to perform the same ceremonies that the Muskogee or Cherokee do. Now, we have had Lakota visit our Square Ground as our specific guests and when they do, they do not force the Lakota ceremonies on us. They respect us and participate in the Muskogee ceremony while on our grounds, or they respectfully sit outside the Square Ground.

Yes, I am a Christian. Does that mean that I expect everyone to somehow set aside their own beliefs and play along with as though they did believe the same way I do? Wouldn't that just cheapen the true meaning of what I believe? How would the Jewish community feel, if we barged into one of their ceremonies and tried to participate, not fully understanding what we were doing? Instead of honoring them, we would probably come across as mocking them or disrespecting them. The only exception would be if we were specifically invited and then had a guide to explain what was happening.

If some of us are wrong in our beliefs, then let God be the judge. I can't think of anyone on earth qualified to make that call. Can you?

Mamame
12-28-2007, 03:37 PM
Coming from the point of view of a Muskogee Native American, I understand the wisdom of the elders to close our Native ceremonies to the general public. If we forced our ceremonies on everyone whether they followed our traditions or not, it would somehow cheapen the true meaning of the ceremony. At best, I certainly would not expect a Lakota to perform the same ceremonies that the Muskogee or Cherokee do. Now, we have had Lakota visit our Square Ground as our specific guests and when they do, they do not force the Lakota ceremonies on us. They respect us and participate in the Muskogee ceremony while on our grounds, or they respectfully sit outside the Square Ground.

Yes, I am a Christian. Does that mean that I expect everyone to somehow set aside their own beliefs and play along with as though they did believe the same way I do? Wouldn't that just cheapen the true meaning of what I believe? How would the Jewish community feel, if we barged into one of their ceremonies and tried to participate, not fully understanding what we were doing? Instead of honoring them, we would probably come across as mocking them or disrespecting them. The only exception would be if we were specifically invited and then had a guide to explain what was happening.

If some of us are wrong in our beliefs, then let God be the judge. I can't think of anyone on earth qualified to make that call. Can you?

So, the Biblical truth is not worth sending out to others? We're not to spread the Good News to all the world? That's Biblical.

Suzyhomemaker
12-28-2007, 07:30 PM
So, the Biblical truth is not worth sending out to others? We're not to spread the Good News to all the world? That's Biblical.


In my ministry, I do not have a church building. A church building requires maintenance, utilities, and a staff to keep things running. I do not take a paycheck from the ministry. I have a secular job and earn money by working, the same as anyone else. I do make a note of the tithe from my paychecks and prayerfully decide where the money should go: a friend in need, a homeless shelter, an active outreach ministry where people are actually doing something for the people.
Upon meditating on the subject of what it means to be called to be the living church, I have come to realize that our own home is a church house. Since we are called to be a living church, it would stand to reason that we need a place where we can take refuge from the world’s demands and spend some quiet quality time with the Lord. Suddenly, the seemingly mundane activities of ordinary housework take on a whole new meaning. I am not just taking care of a house so that our family can be in a safe environment, but, by coming to view our home as a church house, I am creating a worshipful environment where all activities, whether it be washing dishes, playing a game, studying for a school exam, or washing my hair, can be dedicated to the Lord and offered to Him to be used to advance His Kingdom on earth. I am also creating an atmosphere that would witness to anyone who comes to our home, that we are a practicing Christian family and that the Lord is with us in all things: the mundane daily chores; the worshipful prayer time; and the play times.

Hospitality and evangelism can become great witnessing partners in our church homes. A non-institutional atmosphere can sometimes be a blessing when ministering to those who have had negative experiences in conventional churches. It also emphasizes our duty as Christians to witness the Gospel message in our daily walk, not just by talking to others, but by actually living the Gospel message in such a way that people are directed toward the Lord. This leads into the subject of evangelizing.

The tricky part is to keep the focus on the Lord. Too many times, the focus shifts, sometimes very subtly, from the message to the messenger, and we end up with a bunch of spiritual celebrities. People will start talking about the celebrity more than the Lord. I don’t pretend to know everything there is to know about evangelizing, but if I can witness to someone in such a way that they come to praise God and not me, then I consider my efforts a success.

Affirming my faith in:
Christ: Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, ....

Gospel: 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Spreading of the Christian Faith: Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

http://ifibeliftedup.com/Outreach.html (http://ifibeliftedup.com/Outreach.html)

Mamame
12-28-2007, 07:39 PM
In my ministry, I do not have a church building. A church building requires maintenance, utilities, and a staff to keep things running. I do not take a paycheck from the ministry. I have a secular job and earn money by working, the same as anyone else. I do make a note of the tithe from my paychecks and prayerfully decide where the money should go: a friend in need, a homeless shelter, an active outreach ministry where people are actually doing something for the people.
Upon meditating on the subject of what it means to be called to be the living church, I have come to realize that our own home is a church house. Since we are called to be a living church, it would stand to reason that we need a place where we can take refuge from the world’s demands and spend some quiet quality time with the Lord. Suddenly, the seemingly mundane activities of ordinary housework take on a whole new meaning. I am not just taking care of a house so that our family can be in a safe environment, but, by coming to view our home as a church house, I am creating a worshipful environment where all activities, whether it be washing dishes, playing a game, studying for a school exam, or washing my hair, can be dedicated to the Lord and offered to Him to be used to advance His Kingdom on earth. I am also creating an atmosphere that would witness to anyone who comes to our home, that we are a practicing Christian family and that the Lord is with us in all things: the mundane daily chores; the worshipful prayer time; and the play times.

Hospitality and evangelism can become great witnessing partners in our church homes. A non-institutional atmosphere can sometimes be a blessing when ministering to those who have had negative experiences in conventional churches. It also emphasizes our duty as Christians to witness the Gospel message in our daily walk, not just by talking to others, but by actually living the Gospel message in such a way that people are directed toward the Lord. This leads into the subject of evangelizing.

The tricky part is to keep the focus on the Lord. Too many times, the focus shifts, sometimes very subtly, from the message to the messenger, and we end up with a bunch of spiritual celebrities. People will start talking about the celebrity more than the Lord. I don’t pretend to know everything there is to know about evangelizing, but if I can witness to someone in such a way that they come to praise God and not me, then I consider my efforts a success.

Affirming my faith in:
Christ: Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, ....

Gospel: 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Spreading of the Christian Faith: Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

http://ifibeliftedup.com/Outreach.html (http://ifibeliftedup.com/Outreach.html)


I don't understand what this or your previous post has to do with the OP - the comments about Jews needing Jesus?

Suzyhomemaker
12-28-2007, 07:53 PM
I have several Jewish families who visit me regularly. Sorry not to have mentioned that. And yes, the Jews need Jesus, as we all do. Perhaps, I have chosen a different approach to the matter. For whatever reason, it seems to be working. I would not, however, presume to dictate to others to do exactly the same as me. It is just that the families that I am working with are responding positively to what we are offering them in our home.

I also know that there are strict laws about proslytizing in Israel. I have a missionary friend there who has to be extremely careful how he approaches people about the Gospel.

At any rate, I won't comment any more. It seems to make others uncomfortable.

Peace.

Mamame
12-28-2007, 08:05 PM
Not uncomfortable - just confused. :)

Suzyhomemaker
12-28-2007, 08:27 PM
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Mammamel
12-29-2007, 07:49 AM
Sue the problem is not that anyone is uncomfortable. The problem is what you are saying, Indian this and that, is not on point.

The original topic is, do Christians hate Jews.

The answer is no true Christians want what God does, for none to perish but all to be saved.

I do not care who you are or what ethnicity, God tells us how to be saved, accept the gift His Son gave us. End of discussion. You can not come to God other than through His Son. That is what the Bible says. That is the ONLY authority on salvation.

No a true Christian will not use force to spread the word, nor will they hate those who do not accept it. They will be sorrowful for them.

Suzyhomemaker
12-29-2007, 07:26 PM
Sue the problem is not that anyone is uncomfortable. The problem is what you are saying, Indian this and that, is not on point.

The original topic is, do Christians hate Jews.

The answer is no true Christians want what God does, for none to perish but all to be saved.

I do not care who you are or what ethnicity, God tells us how to be saved, accept the gift His Son gave us. End of discussion. You can not come to God other than through His Son. That is what the Bible says. That is the ONLY authority on salvation.

No a true Christian will not use force to spread the word, nor will they hate those who do not accept it. They will be sorrowful for them.


I agree with you. It is just that so much of what has happened to the Jews in the past has happened to my people as well so I understand their sometimes reluctance to hear about the Gospel from Christians. Unfortunately, there have been people who have misused religion to further their political agenda, making it hard for the true Christians to get the true message through to those who need it.

At any rate, I will back out of this thread. I don't wish to offend anyone and right now, I am feeling uncomfortable. And for the record, I am a Christian and I do not hate Jews. :)

Peace